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  I’m a current elder ex bethel in London

  by Mikejw in

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  i was in bethel for years early 2000s and was heavily involved with brd from start to finish .

  im current elder in one of the congregations in london.

  what i’ve noticed is huge changes since covid .

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  stan livedeath

  @mikejw. Were you at Bethel when Ron Drage, Peter Ellis and Bevan Vigo were there ? I remember them from my days in the cult in the West Midlands in the late 60's. Drage was DO--the others were CO.

  What became of them ?
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  An aspect of dealing with my elderly, PIMI, Father

  by joe134cd in

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  for a bit of back ground.

  i’m a full blown pomo apostate.

  nothing would please me more to see wt burn to the ground.

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  stan livedeath

  the other way of looking at this--what would your father do if you werent around ? What would his future look like? Can you really see the congregation looking after him ?
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  Investment departments in Bethel

  by Mikejw in

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  i was a bethelite in london for many years then got reassigned to the field and then went on brd from the start of chelmsford right upto covid.. during my years at the branch i was sometimes asked to be on a team who went to homes donated to the branch when some older one died.. this happenes an awful lot, everything is left to the branch in the will.

  the unbelieving family is furious they didn’t get left anything and sometimes they tried to get their elderly relatives possessions and there was a legal battle .

  but in the end a team of us would go and empty the property and another team would clean it up and put it on the market to sell it for the worldwide work.. all the possessions were sorted into trash or possibly valuable .

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  i got lucky--my dear old JW dad left it all to me.
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  Getting rid of old Watchtower books.

  by I quit! in

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  anyone in the orange county or la area want some old watchtower books that i want to get rid of.

  i bought them when i first left the tower to look things up.

  they've been sitting around garages or my shed for 30 plus years.

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  i'm sure someone will be grateful. Fuel for a fire to keep warm this winter
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  No pension no preparation for retirement

  by Mikejw in

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  a lot of my ex fellow servants must be now in their seventies, what can you do?.

  no children no money no home.

  it is so sad.. so many decided not to have children as the end was right around the corner and that was decades ago.

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  It really is ridiculous how much people can get who do nothing and contribute nothing. The same segment of people also consume the lions share of police and healthcare services - everyone else is too busy working and paying their way.

  Back in the mid 90's--my job involved working on behalf of the local authority housing department. I often had to deal with young single mothers, who had never had a job--and never likely to. They deliberately got pregnant--as it meant they could get a housing association flat--and get the rent paid by the council. This was on top of the social security payment, child benefit and whatever else they could get.

  Often they had more than one child. In most cases there was a boyfriend in the background--who deliberately didnt live with them---or the young woman could have their benefits stopped--and the boyfriend would then have to support them--and pay the rent.

  I wish this was an isolated story--but it isnt. It was widespread. These benefit claimants know all the angles.
  
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  Elder Arrangement

  by vienne in

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  hi everyone, (including the person who down votes all of my posts).

  as some of you know, i'm working toward my master's degree.

  comments from those associated when the elder arrangement was introduced would help me with a research paper.. what was the reaction among adherents?

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  when the new elder "arrangement" was in its gestation period--i made an appointment to see the cong servant ( ex branch servant apparently )--it was a sunday morning--i was down to do the public talk that afternoon. I couldnt make head nor tale of the script. I told him i had decided to step back from all involvement--i really wasnt interested in it anymore. He told me he had me down to be one of the elders ! Spirit appointed--?

  a while later--next year i think--i was invited to attend what transpired was a committee meeting--held at the hall. There were some laughable trumped up charges levelled against me--which proved unfounded--and the same cong servant ( elder now?) thanked me for coming--and said there were no further charges to answer. I then thanked him--and said from now on i was no longer brother s***** but to call me Mr--or my first name. I no longer wanted anything more to do with the cult. End of.
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  Booster shots required for Bethelites and special full time servants?

  by PimoElder in

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  it’s a shame the gov body did a big u turn on vaccines .

  if they continue with the rule that only fully vaxed can go back to the hall then i could have stayed on zoom.

  but the term fully vaxed is a moving target, if it’s been like six months since your last shot you are just the same as those of us who are unvaxed .

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  Mikejw7 hours ago

  Over the next ten years you are going to see huge health problems in the fully vaxed populations

  ok--so what do you suggest these fully vaxed people do ?
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  No pension no preparation for retirement

  by Mikejw in

  1. jw
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  a lot of my ex fellow servants must be now in their seventies, what can you do?.

  no children no money no home.

  it is so sad.. so many decided not to have children as the end was right around the corner and that was decades ago.

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  ongHairGal2 hours ago

  STANLIVEDEATH:

  But, can somebody who NEVER worked still collect anything? That’s my question.

  I would be surprised if they did.

  absolutely--the safety net of Uk social security. Makes no difference if the claimant has never worked a day in their lives...which is a fact in many parts of the UK.
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  No pension no preparation for retirement

  by Mikejw in

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  2. friends

  a lot of my ex fellow servants must be now in their seventies, what can you do?.

  no children no money no home.

  it is so sad.. so many decided not to have children as the end was right around the corner and that was decades ago.

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  @LHG

  here in the UK we have a safety net provision called pension credit. It is a means tested benefit for those of retirement age who dont--for whatever reason--qualify for the full or part state pension. So its ideal for pioneers who have never earned enough to qualify for their state pension.

  It is quite generous--more so for a couple. it is also a gateway benefit--meaning housing benefit for those who rent rather than own. There are other top up benefits for those with qualifying health issues. It doesnt take too much effort for a retired couple to get £20,000 a year in benefits. Which is probably more than they have ever earned in their lives.
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  An aspect of dealing with my elderly, PIMI, Father

  by joe134cd in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  for a bit of back ground.

  i’m a full blown pomo apostate.

  nothing would please me more to see wt burn to the ground.

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  stan livedeath

  i dont see it as selling yourself out. Youre just trying to make the best of the situation--for your fathers sake. Do you live with him ?